So much to discuss in this article. There are many who are poor who cannot afford to take as many risks because the consequences are more dire to jump without a safety net. "Life is a daring adventure or nothing at all." “‘The average high-income black person lives in a neighborhood with a higher poverty rate than the average low-income white person’ (my emphasis).” Is he seriously suggesting that high-income black people are being compelled to live in high poverty areas by duplicitous real estate agents? Yes. When you’ve got a presidential candidate who says that everyone who is uneemployed are failures and people cheer, that frankly implies some truly warped and unrealistic attitudes. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." I have never done a background check *before* the interview. To me, this article smacks of elitism and ignorance about the real world. "There is no passion to be found playing small--in settling for a life that is less than the one you are capable of living." (So too, I think, do other members of our extended family who also grew up poor.). Heretic. With the passage of the 19th Amendment, women began to vote, and what they voted for was to replace husbands with Uncle Sam. Well, this post will certain generate an interesting discussion! Seriously. How the fuck can slavery be more relevant to a black man in 2015 than it was to a black man in 1965 or 1925? . The little decisions we make every day add up to a huge difference in our life. I would have remembered the day in school where the teacher said something like “Rape and murder are bad, m’kay?”. Guy have a stroke or something? Whether or not we are rich or poor or somewhere in between, there is a great deal of differences of how people live within and outside of our communities. That doesn’t explain jack shit. Which makes me wonder why they are reading this blog? They had no previous experience and they often had a criminal record usually involving drugs. This website was supposed to focus on that very concept, right? Yes, the welfare state, the war on drugs, and even racist sentiments do incredible amounts of damage but those still fall short – again see MLK or BTW. But we’re talking about societies here, right? Because there is a high threshold in terms of education, investment and earning power in order to immigrate. BULLY FOR BENEDICT!!! With a sperm sample and income from Uncle Sam, they can be mothers and raise children… just not the kind of children anyone wants in their neighborhood. Many people who are financially rich today were already “rich” before they ever had the money. Cuz if you didn’t….why not? So while we may have more Mexican immigrants in 2007 than in 1970, Mexican workers in the US wasn’t “checked” until 1965 nominally and in 1986 with force of law. The passive person says to him or herself, "I know what I need to do but I don't do it." Actually, most charitable giving goes to churches. Fagan breaks down what she calls “the secret language and behaviors of wealth”. "Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And, of course because you saw through the systemic racism that caused this then for sure you hired them anyway, right? – Welfare for more single mother babies creates more of them – Welfare for not working creates more of the poorer dependent class – Government pro-union laws doesn’t let lower wage workers compete for government contracts – High taxation leads to less production and fewer jobs – Drug laws that result in unemployable drug offenders. Haven’t begun reading the comments, but I’m pretty sure its rather pristine logic will be lost on most of the regulars. Martin Luther King, Jr. 7. Aristotle, 20. "Don't take life too seriously. Once they are out of the bad culture and bad schools they will have upward mobility and assimilate with the wider culture. Unfortunately, Eker says, most of us have faulty blueprints that prevent us from building wealth.” He is acknowledging that people are a product of their curcumstances, that past experiences shape how we relate to money – and that rich people’s experiences cause them to think one way and poor people’s experiences cause them to think another. I actaully find it insulting as well. Keepem’ down on the Progressive plantation. It’s not constructive to… Read more », Sorry, Dink, but magical thinking never has and never will work. 2. They did hire Eddie Murphy, even if it was for questionable motives. By definition, there are 9 times more 90%-ers than 10%-ers. T. This leaves aside the simple issue that even if they were willing to do that an pretend to be undocumented the never ending flow of labor drives down the price of labor simply by flooding the market with supply. Yet the families of slaves were stronger, despite literally being torn apart by slaveowners and the government, than they are today. Someone could do everything right, arguably, and not become rich. When I read the distinctions between the rich and poor, I took them each as a mindset in itself. There are plenty of black people no more interested in living near white people and/or moving away from their relatives than and racist white hillbillies. He’s living the anarchist dream. Now that I have more than just an emergency fund, now that I have real savings, I see that the bigger the safety net, the more risks I can take. You should probably change your handle to WilliamJenningsBryanSense, for the sake of honesty. What makes black people more susceptible to these incentives than white people? Generally speaking, there isn’t a lot of friction in most cities between “what the people (claim to) want” and what the government gives them. These laws essentially make it unlawful for companies to use performance-based testing (IQ, aptitude, basic skills) systems to hire employees–they invariable have some level of adverse impact. You almost make it seem as if the whole thing is just another mechanism to divide and separate people…, Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. While I do not agree with either Eker or Smith entirely, it is good to engage these lists and see what we can learn. I suspect you did not mean it to be. So who really pays more? My dad owns a small company that has been very profitable. This article is strange, perhaps it’s a deliberate Rorschach test. “That said, there are times when hard work isn’t enough because they playing field isn’t level.” And despite what the media tries to portray, I believe THIS is the crux of the Occupy Wall Street movement. “The concentration of poverty in inner cities means many black children are exposed daily to crime and violence. Here’s another source that compares the giving as a % of income: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/magazine/22FOB-wwln-t.html “In 2001, Independent Sector, a nonprofit organization focused on charitable giving, found that households earning less… Read more », I can’t believe the attitude I’m seeing in some of these comments. "All life is an experiment. This is my second time to read him. Wait, I meant Mr. Hilter and his minions. A statistic like that, I cannot help but believe there is some bias built within it. "Life is not about how fast you run or how high you climb, but how well you bounce." I’ve had clients – a couple – with a combined income in the $300k range tell me that they can’t make ends meet. Each experience--good and bad--makes you grow. I personally believe that the welfare state plays a pretty big roll in the decline of 2 parent households of any color. This would contradict Ramsey’s claim. I know dozens of millionaires and hundreds of poor men. We’ve had many great conversations at GRS about controversial topics, and I’m not sure why we can’t do the same here. I’ve spent three years, maybe four now, asking everyone down there two questions: Huge! Maybe you should disagree with a few of the specific points of distinction between those who have made their success and those who don’t, but to chalk it up to luck is ridiculous. The one thing that distinguishes the rich, beyond luck, is that they often focus on making money as a purpose in life, rather than a means to an end. The kind of skills you DON’T get in lousy public schools. . Exactly, Elizabeth. But if you have to hire and fire scads of workers on a weekly basis, it is tremendously INEFFICIENT. 2008, 2009 – interesting dates. But they will qualify for services such as healthcare and education, so the costs will be the same as the legals, if not higher. Not if Chapman leads the charge. With aggressive snowballing I might pay it back in 10 years (rent and payment are very close and I have a small down payment). Yes, many of you are right that this is not ordinary GRS post, but I like it very much. “white applicants with criminal records are more likely to get interviews than blacks without criminal records”. IIRC MLK Jr. often fought for the use of cognitive entrance and other performance tests by employers. That’s a bit … strange. Also, you did not… Read more », I agree with you, it is neccesary to look at the lists, if we want change in our lives anyway. I've seen the differences he describes in my own life. My experience is that most immigrants get a lot of help, whether from family already here or private organizations or the government. He said “bus boys basically grow on trees” which you, as a supposedly professional writer, shouldn’t be misrepresenting as “Bus Boy Trees”, unless of course, your aim is to look like an asshole. I am doing half of Eker’s list already. There are plenty of poor people who have the right mindset but struggle because of external factors. This piece is not meant as a takedown of the rich or a takedown of the poor. That’s the best advice I have. YOU SURE AS HELL AIN’T GONNA BE SPENDING YOUR DAY STONED!!!! Since that’s not what I argued, you’d best not smoke around that strawman. My kids mom decided a few years ago to up and disappear, so I’m a single dad. And “the norm” is not fixed or static. Hopefully, the take away is to become active and vocal in helping to change bad laws: welfare eligibility, minimum wage law, regulation and credential laws, EEOC, etc. I believe that there are absolutely systemic issues that contribute to wealth and poverty. But I also believe that there are attitudes and habits that foster wealth and success. Thomas Jefferson, 28. My family was homeless twice for months at a time. lol. All of this inner city ghetto culture deserves criticism, they should rightfully be called idiots and shunned so people aspire to leave just as we do for other races which celebrate being stupid and uneducated as some badge of honor. The average income of the bottom 90% (using this source I found in a quick google search: http://www.wealthandwant.com/issues/income/income_distribution.html) is $30374. One has to give. Without a bread-winner, she and her children would be subject to penury. We do create our lives, and how we handle our situations and what we focus our attention on in our situations makes the differences of our experience. This is very different than the US causing the problem. For example, I sometimes find I am too risk-adverse. As I said in the post, the relationship between wealth and poverty is complex. The concentration of poverty in inner cities means many black children are exposed daily to crime and violence. I trust people to make their own choices regardless of where their income comes from. It is hard to not be able to “fix” the issues surrounding homelessness. Eker notes — correctly — that fear and security are essentially two sides of the same coin. Make a difference in your life first. Making an analogy from one individual to an entire multi-generation group? The same thing happens to white Appalachian children. Corley's approach is unique because he took time to interview people from both ends of the financial spectrum. What makes this disintegration of the family possible is easy access to government money. Apart from J.D’s skepticism the comments in this post are the real value here in putting all of that “wisdom” in context. In order for that to wrok he has to be illegal. *…The schools suck, and there are no low level…*. There is definitely a feedback loop at play. I think that these habits, attitudes, and expectations differ from those of wealthy people. It’s about the mindsets and lessons he learned from his biological dad (Phd, but couldn’t get ahead) and his best friend’s dad who didn’t graduate, but became one of the richest men on Hawaii. Now about European colonialism… well, I´m Brazilian. That said, there are times when hard work isn’t enough because they playing field isn’t level. They are poor, uneducated and unskilled. There is a difference between unchecked and completely eliminated. Maybe Washington should offer free abortions like they hand out food stamps and farm subsidies. So when you hear that “wages are flat” or “inequality is increasing”, it’s instructive to note that you are not absolutely referring to the same people. He spent all his money instead of thinking like a rich person. There is the Republipuke and Repulitard but they just don’t roll of the tongue either. I think these lists are framed in insulting, dismissive ways that attribute poverty to shortcomings and wealth to being *~*AWESOME*~*, and while these authors may have some wisdom buried in them somewhere, I bet someone else has that wisdom too, and I’d rather get it from someone whose view of the world doesn’t make me queasy. My bet is that the countries that do well… Read more ». He bought him and my mother private insurance policies so the company wouldn’t have to cover them both anymore. Instead of picking on the whole list I’ll just pick one: “Millionaires believe they must be generous.”. As more Senators test positive for Covid-19. Some people try and fail, but some do make it. Half of success is being optimistic. It’s an invention of great society and PC idiocy by rewarding people who become single parents, and aspire to be idiots and then calling that lifestyle authentically black. Robert Frost, 16. The US welfare state suffers the same problem that government insurance schemes do: moral hazard. I don't expect for one blog post to be a definitive exploration of the topic. If we live from a place of gratitude no matter what the circumstances, than we may be able to rise avove the situations. In what way do does it help you or your family to cling to a sweeping generalization like this? But I don’t (completely). It’s hard to compare the average rich and the average poor person due to many variables, including systemic (dis)advantages that run completely counter to the idea of meritocracy, the idea that hard work will always be rewarded in the long run. Sure, “luck” could be responsible for you getting into some accident or getting a terminal disease, but the same “luck” could also have you stumbling upon a million dollar lottery ticket on the ground. I fear the comments. I don’t believe in using government to force people to behave according to a certain work ethic. Those are only a few examples. 2. founded Get Rich Slowly to document his quest to get out of debt. “You can only assign responsibility in proportion to the measure of control a person has.”. I liked the quote about calculated risk. And welfare seems to ensure that children do inherit their parents disadvantages. The advantage of hiring illegal immigrants is that they work hard. Why? Well, if you believe Dave Ramsey, 2/3 of all charitable giving comes from the top 1%. They are not likely to get married or stay married.” And yet they’re obviously able to find women who are willing to have (seemingly birth control-less) sex with them. Obnoxious. He was accused of blaming the victim, but he was onto something important. Everyone needs to… Read more », Perhaps I wasn’t clear. I felt so ashamed. Not holding this view is very rare in poor people, which, bred in adverse circumstances rarely take charge over their lives and actually take steps to change them. Look at the meat packing industry. There is so much of this sensationalistic and cliched books out there that claim to teach how to get rich. I do believe that government should to some degree ensure that the children of poor parents do not inherit all of their disadvantages. While I was growing up, I started to realize how important nutrition is. Except the discussion is in regard to the worsening of the situation with regard to the black family. With that mindset, you don’t choose your friends based on how they can help you make money. Life is a gift that has been given to you. Just LIES. Althought I am not entirely offended by these ridiculous and specious lists, what I do find borderline disrespectful is the attempt to demonize, or in effect blame, the poor for their circumstances. From my experience, I believe that poor people have certain habits, attitudes, and expectations. You can act to change and control your life; and the procedure, the process is its own reward." You also have to be smart enough to become the progammer and the dental technicianand not everyone is that smart. “1. Heh, heh. Oh FFS… blame everything except the parent(s). (I’ve also posted this comment in the main flow at like #186 or something.) But even when our family did have a decent income, Dad spent that money on boats and airplanes and computers. How it applies to me: I for one hate debt(became debt free this year in February) but I am renting. I asked ‘over 75’. This happens with subsidized housing, food assistance, school feeding programs, childcare assistance, Medicaid, ObamaCare subsidies, college financial aid, etc. I don’t really know why, it’s not clever or funny, and endlessly repeating it as a misrepresentation of what he said just makes you look like an asshole. Chapman talks about the whites’ responsibility in all this while virtually ignoring the role of GOVERNMENT. We reserve the right to delete any comment for any reason at any time. Advertising Disclosure: Some offers on this page may promote affiliates, which means GRS earns a commission if you purchase products or services through the links provided. He’s just that daft. If we’re so racist, then firms that aren’t will be able to employ blacks at lower wages and gain market share at the expense of racist firms. Jason Riley, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, claims that "family structure offers a much more plausible explanation of these outcomes than does residual white racism." The situation, as we move away from the time of slavery and segregation, should be improving, rather than deteriorating if those are the causes. Get interested in something. Besides, being child number 11, helped as my dad was worn out from disciplining the older kids! So he might have me there. Most people live their lives in default mode. Here is a study that breaks down charity giving versus income levels. People are busybodies. “The average high-income black person lives in a neighborhood with a higher poverty rate than the average low-income white person”. Bus Boy Trees! Or is it even possible to create distinctions like this? Which would be kind of racist, wouldn’t it? I can tell you that I agree with both lists. 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